July 2011
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“Haboob is an Arabic word for a “desert thunderstorm,” but the way...”
– Peter Sagal on Wait, Wait, Don’t Tell Me talking about a few nut jobs in Arizona offended by an Arabic word used to describe dust storms in Phoenix.
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“We should legalize marijuana and prostitution.”
– Brian Cranston of “Breaking Bad” on Real Time with Bill Maher
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Margaret Hoover vs. Bill Maher & Eliot Spitzer on...
Eliot Spitzer: Let's be real about this. Bill Clinton had a budget *surplus*. George Bush gave us the deficit, gave us the recession, gave us the deregulatory craziness that lead us over the cliff. The Tea Party is the tail wagging the dog, it is the inmates running the asylum, it's people that don't know history, economics, politics, sociology, science. It is insane! I'm glad you said I'm an old school Democrat; I believe in science, facts, and in responsible capitalism. That's where I am.
Margaret Hoover: Let's be honest about what really happened. Yeah, there was no deficit. You're right, when George Bush took office. And George Bush raised the deficit. Debt, spending, deficits, that happened. And then it got *doubled* in three years by Barack Obama, and so here's the reality. The Tea Party came to town -
Bill Maher: That's not the reality.
Spitzer: Hey can we talk about what caused the deficit. No.
Hoover: The debt doubled.
Maher: No.
Spitzer: Here's what cause the deficit.
Hoover: The debt doubled.
Spitzer: Margaret, hold it a second.
Maher: No it didn't.
Spitzer: Facts...
Hoover: And the reality is...
Maher: No.
Spitzer: Yeah?
Hoover: That if the Tea Party hadn't come to town, the Senate would've had a few speeches on the floor and the debt limit would've been raised.
Spitzer: Facts are stubborn things.
Matthew Kibbe: We changed the conversation.
Spitzer: Yeah, now it's insane!
Hoover: The conversation now is about stopping spending.
Spitzer: Now it's an insane conversation!
Hoover: It's about your daughter's fiscal future, my fiscal future, his fiscal future.
Maher: Did the debt double since Obama?
Hoover: Yes.
Spitzer: Not because of the President.
Hoover: Are you kidding?!
Spitzer: Here's what caused the deficit. Four factors, can you listen to this?
Maher: The debt is 14 trillion?
Kibbe: Yeah, 14 and a half.
Spitzer: It's not doubled.
Maher: And it was 7 under...?
Hoover: Yes, it was 7.8 and we're about to go to 16.2.
Spitzer: Hold on one second, facts are stubborn things.
Hoover: So he's admitted that I'm right now.
Spitzer: No. Two wars caused it, the Bush tax cut caused it.
Hoover: The stimulus!
Spitzer: Please, stop one minute. The recession, that the consequence of the regulatory craziness, and then the stimulus that worked. The auto industry --
Hoover: That worked?
Spitzer: Of course it did! The auto industry is back folks!
Hoover: The 9.2 unemployment stimulus?
Maher: The stimulus is seven percent of the deficit.
Spitzer: That's right. Bill is exactly right.
Maher: The stimulus is seven percent.
Hoover: And the budget - look, Barack Obama's budget--
Maher: Seven percent.
Hoover: Barack Obama's --
Maher: Not even double digits, and why did we need a stimulus?
Hoover: The debt has doubled.
Spitzer: But Margaret, you're not looking at causative factors. You're being so simplistic as to be silly.
Hoover: No, no, no. But Eliot, let's be honest. That couldn't be more patronizing to the woman at the table.
Spitzer: No, no. We're talking facts.
Hoover: We're talking about numbers, actually.
Spitzer: Yeah, we are, that's exactly right.
Hoover: We're talking about debt that has doubled since Barack Obama's been in office. That is a number. That is a fact. We can all go Google it.
Maher: It's not a fact, it's not the right number.
Hoover: No, no, but it is.
Maher: And also you count 2009, which is Bush's budget. Okay? The reason why that they had to spend some money - and again, 7% of the big problem - the reason they had to was because the last guy had drove the economy into a ditch. […] This is the problem: t he democrats get blamed by the vast majority of the American public for an ineffectual stimulus bill, and the common conventional wisdom is that that stimulus bill was spending way too much money. Actually, half of it, almost half of it was Republican tax cuts.
Spitzer: That's actually right.
Hoover: It was actually a third.
Maher: It wasn't big enough.
Hoover: It was a third more tax cuts.
Maher: Okay, but in a 15 trillion dollar economy, or whatever it is, it was not nearly enough to do the job. So this is my problem with the Democrats: they constantly sign on to shit that isn't their idea. This is what Obama's doing now. I no longer understand this man. And I liked him, and I voted for him. I just don't understand this man anymore. When he caved on "revenues," I thought this was the line in the sand. I thought he would understand that, "You know what, my reputation is not good already as a negotiator, I've said from the beginning, I'm not going to cave, we need some revenues to fix this." When he caved on that, I mean, they own him!
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“Violent, religious extremists were in the news this week. One from each side....”
– Bill Maher ranting about calling Anders Brevik what he is.
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Margaret Hoover says atheism has killed "way more...
Margaret Hoover: You can call this guy a Christian extremist, but the difference between him and the Islamic supremisists … this Christian guy, he's a nut who calls hisselves [sic] a Christian, but he isn't connected to a global terror network that is trying to perpetrate terrorism on everyone else in the name of an organized and well funded terrorist network.
Bill Maher: Neither was the Fort Hood guy. It is an idea.
Hoover: No, that is not true. Major Hassan --
Brian Cranston: Do you have to be a member of a club?
Maher: Right, it's an idea, you don't have to be in the club.
Hoover: There's a difference, as we know, between Islamic supremacy, and what you're calling Christian extremism, but the reality is you're blaming this all on religion.
Maher: (Shakes head in agreement).
Hoover: But the bloodiest murders in the last 20th century - atheism. What was communism? What was socialism? What was the Great Leap Forward? 30 million people died in China in the Great Leap Forward, 20 million people died in Stalin's purges, that was atheism.
Maher: It wasn't *because* of atheism.
Hoover: It was ideology that killed 50 million people in the 20th century. That's way more than religion has killed.
Maher: Oh please. Religion has killed more people than --
Hoover: Way more than religion has killed.
Maher: That is bull shit.
Eliot Spitzer: It's fanaticism. It is fanaticism that is the enemy, it is not religion. Fanaticism in any ideology, and lack of tolerence, is when you get danger.
Maher: Far from restraining people, religion is what gives people license to commit crazy acts because --
Hoover: So does ideology. What do you think Soviet communism and Great Leap Forward in China was? It's the same thing. It gave them license.
Maher: First of all, it didn't give them license, it gave them an army. And also, in a lot of these places, it really was a state religion. North Korea, I know you would say that's an atheist country, it's not. The "Dear Leader" is the god! They think that he, like, ya know, when he was born winter turned into spring, they said the first time he played golf he had 11 holes-in-one. That *is* religion. I'm serious. You create a god.
Matt Kibbe: I have another theory, by the way. Maybe this guy's just batshit crazy.
Maher: Well he is, of course.
Kibbe: Crazy's not an ideology.
Maher: No, but religion gives crazy a platform and justifies it, that's the problem.
Spitzer: It is the lack of tolerence, Bill, it is when you see a refusal to accept alternative views and you are so deeply ingrained in your own world view that you have to stomp out everybody else. That's when you get the craziness.
Maher: Right, but what gives people license to think that way? Religion.
Spitzer: Many different ideologies.
Maher: But mostly religion.
Spitzer: In many cases, yes.
Maher: That's mostly what gives people the license to say, "My god has a bigger dick than your god, and maybe you should die for it."
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“It’s time to stop fighting it and just come out of the closet, and the group I’m...”
– Bill Maher, telling America’s closeted socialists, “it gets better.”
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Is it bad Tumblr etiquette to post an image of an...
Especially, if in this case, the “someone” is a well-known entity.
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Seattle to sign both Tarvaris Jackson & Matt... →
Leinart*
LION HEART!!!!
And good luck, Seattle.
nfloffseason:
Pete Carroll & the Seahawks are doing a hell of a job collecting mediocre back-up QB’s…
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Rhymes With "Douchebag"
I think MG Siegler is slowly becoming my personal hero. At least when it comes to tech journalism.
parislemon:
Adrian Chen of Gawker writes that “tech news is so phenomenally boring”. A story of mine, Facebook’s iPad app being hidden inside of the iPhone app, is the prime example used.
Nevermind that Chen is complaining about tech news not really being “news” while writing a story that is...
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Some mysterious unknown soul sent me a postcard...
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So in Lion you can't hold down a key to repeatedly...
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Martin Lewis: Murdoch Most Foul →
An interesting perspective on the Rupert Murdoch story from British-born, Hollywood-based humorist/radio host Martin Lewis for the Huffington Post.
Murdoch’s smarts told him that he could profit mightily if only there was a permanent Conservative government in power in the UK. But how to do that when working class people selfishly insisted on voting for their own economic interests rather...
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“Lord I wanna thank you for my smoking hot wife … In Jesus’ name,...”
– Best NASCAR pre-race prayer ever.
That awkward moment when you push play on your...
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“That’s right, Microsoft informed Hotmail users that they will no longer be...”
– Jimmy Fallon
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fuckingandchampagne asked: Must have misunerstood what you meant with "...but it seems like people are paying way more attention and are much more saddened by 16* people killed in Norway when dozens die in bombings all the time in the middle east", then.
No need to be rude, I was just trying to have a normal discussion about it all.
No need to be rude, I was just trying to have a normal discussion about it all.
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fuckingandchampagne asked: I can see your point, but it seems like you're saying that we can't show our support for Norway, because somewhere else, someone is in a worse situation.
Yes, that group CLAIMED responsibility, but the person arrested for shooting and most likely placing the bomb is a 32 year old norwegian man with no connections to any islamic groups. His connections are to a right...
Yes, that group CLAIMED responsibility, but the person arrested for shooting and most likely placing the bomb is a 32 year old norwegian man with no connections to any islamic groups. His connections are to a right...
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sh4rk-week asked: Well, I agree with that people seem to don't care about the bombing and wars that's going on, and just about happenings like this. But to me it's about I'm not feeling that safe anymore, I mean, I was supposed to be there today! I live just over an hour from where the bombings was, and I still haven't heard from friends and family, I just hope everyone I know is safe and...
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fuckingandchampagne asked: the bombing/shooting in oslo and the bombing in the middle east are two completely different situations that are impossible to compare to each other. one is not more important than the other. both situations are terrible in their own way. show some respect instead of saying ridiculous stuff like that.
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I know it’s a bombing AND a shooting AND was in their seat of government, and I’m not trying to be a cynical asshole, but it seems like people are paying way more attention and are much more saddened by 16* people killed in Norway when dozens die in bombings all the time in the middle east. #justsayin
What do you think?
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